Update 8/12: We just got the car back from the Bellevue Rivian service center and it does appear that the car had a problem with the cooling system (the infamous 5-way valve others have posted about, e.g., here). Service took way too long — they’re clearly struggling with the logistics of scale-up — but they got me a reasonable loaner and (I think) found the root cause. Hopefully we’ll have a smoother fast charging experience when we head back to California in a couple of months. Woo hoo!
As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, we recently traded in our trusty 2019 Tesla Model X (“Miss Scarlet”) for a 2025 Rivian R1S (“Gonzo the Great”). We bought the Tesla for a combination of selfish and political reasons, and traded it in for those same reasons. But I have strong feelings about the legacy auto industry and EVs — first because of the decades they spent trying to slow-boat the transition, and second because their EVs just kind of suck. I want a software car, not a legacy gas car with the engine swapped out.
To me at least, Rivian stands out as the next generation of true EV first technology. Their experience with delivery trucks has given them a ton of experience in a tough environment, and Keep the world adventurous forever speaks not just to a sustainable future, but an awesome one.
So — into the breech we went. Our primary use cases for the car are pretty straightforward and unique to our weird lives:
- Short trips around town
- Ferry rides to and from Whidbey
- Multi-day road trips up and down the West Coast
- Drive in movies
I waited to write this until we had our first experience with #3. And while we did run into one significant unpleasantness (see “The Ugly” below), on balance I’m pretty enthused about the vehicle. Fingers crossed…
Purchase and Delivery
Industry inertia (and lobbies) are amazing things. Thanks to a bunch of archaic regulations wrt dealer networks, you can’t actually buy a Rivian (or a Tesla) in Washington State. When we went to test drive the car at University Village, the reps were very clear: we can’t talk about selling you this car, the price, your trade in, or anything like that. We’re just letting you take a ride in this wonderful vehicle and answering questions about it!
When it came time to actually buy the car, we had do so online, nominally from Illinois. They’ve done a good job with the process of providing them with documentation, signing notary forms, wiring money, etc. — actually way better than the typical dealer circus.
The car showed up at the Bellevue service center, and a super-enthusiastic lady spent an hour with us walking through all of the features. She was a bit over the top — but I appreciated what seemed to be honest enthusiasm for the car and the company. A good start! We waved goodbye to Miss Scarlet and drove off home.
Fun related fact — when the registration showed up in the mail, it showed a (large) itemization for use tax, the kind you pay to the state when buying a used vehicle from a private seller. This was in lieu of WA sales tax, and our last reminder of the dealership lobby — we actually bought the car “used” and imported it from Illinois!
The Good (a lot)
Our Rivian is an R1S “Tri-Motor” (SUV style). Fully-charged range is just under 350 miles, and those extra miles (compared to the X) really shine. It is super-fast and accelerates like a beast. Definitely BIG and TALL, even in “kneeling” mode — we added EV Sportline running boards to help folks get in and out more easily (a nice product BTW — we also bought their new Aero Cover Plates but I’d skip those next time).
The suspension is crazy nice … the Tesla raises and lowers itself as well, but with a spread of 6.5 inches (from 8 to 14.5) the Rivian’s ability to adjust is insane. The road to our Bellevue house has these killer abrupt speed bumps — in the Tesla it was bone shaking; in the Rivian I barely notice them at speed (sorry neighbors).
Everything about the cabin is nicer as well. The boxy shape of the Rivian makes it way easier to transport stuff, the seats are cushy on my back even over a 12-hour day, and the console is well-designed so I can see everything (on the Tesla I kept having to peer around the wheel to see important stuff on the heads-up).
A frunk you can hose out is a great touch for those of us who use it to move trash.
I am in love with the wifi hotspot. Being able to cast any video to the car is super, although I have had an issue or two getting the phone to “see” the Rivian.
Dog mode (I mean “creature comfort”) is basically equivalent to the Tesla, but Camp mode is better in the Rivian. There’s a lot more control of what is on and off, and the automatic leveling feature is pretty nifty. Love the ability to illuminate around the vehicle easily, especially picking up mail or dropping trash late at night.
The adaptive/matrix headlights are simply magic. I posted a picture of their “charging” display last time, but the really cool bit is how they work when driving. Instead of just two headlights, there’s a whole bar of individually-focused LEDs which stay in high beam mode permanently. When they detect an oncoming vehicle or person they turn off only the lights directed at that object. The difference in visibility is striking.
Some of these are just better because the car is five years newer than our Tesla (Canada started allowing adaptive lights in 2018). But that doesn’t make me any less giddy; e.g., I cannot express how much I love the synthesized overhead view for parking. Did I mention it’s a big car? Having perfect view of lines and curbs is life changing.
The Less Good (Driver Assist)
Rivian has some great automated driving features, but it doesn’t touch the Tesla. I loved Full Self-Driving on our X. It isn’t perfect by any means, but the idea that the car really knows how to drive itself anywhere and in virtually any environment is a big, hairy, wonderful goal. And Tesla is getting there.
The Rivian is much more about helping you drive conveniently and safely — and it honestly does a very good job of that. It’s just not the same thing, at least not yet. It currently has three assist modes:
- Adaptive cruise control.
- Driver Assist. This is available on most highways and will keep you in your lane. It will perform safe lane changes on request only (using the turn signal).
- Enhanced Driver Assist. The same as #2 but hands-free. Available about 2/3 of the time that regular Assist is enabled.
Adaptive cruise works great, easy peasy. The quality of driving in the Assist modes is solid but it does get fooled sometimes; our working theory is that it struggles with spotty road coloring and lane markings. A few times we got into a weird harmonic where it kept swerving back and forth within the lane, and twice on our big drive it lost track without knowing it.
The other challenge is that the Assist features are clearly map-driven. Of course the car is adapting to its immediate situation, but the features are enabled/disabled based on map location and how much the system knows about the road layout. Because roads are always changing, this means that the feature frequently turns itself off and on. This is especially true with Enhanced mode — there are significant parts of I5 where it’s just not worth using it, because it’ll just be off again in thirty seconds.
The eye tracking is also really aggressive — I can barely pick a song on the main console without it yelling at me to look at the road.
All in all — by the middle of day one I’d figured out the idiosyncrasies and we were humming along pretty well. The overall experience is a lot like the Tesla before FSD. But I expect it will take a big stair step before they’ll go much beyond that — we’ll see.
The Ugly (Battery Temperature)
OK, this one was a killer. I’m optimistic that it’s not a fatal flaw in the car — when we’re back in Bellevue I’m going to have them see if we may be a victim of a bad cooling valve; hopefully that’s all it is. Still, it sucked.
We were impressed with our first stop at an EVgo station in Aurora, OR. The charge was amazingly fast compared to what we were used to with the X. In and out, off we go.
The second stop was a Rivian Adventure Network station in Roseburg, OR. It was pretty warm out at this point, about 92. Started fine (and fast), but after taking the dog out to walk for about ten minutes I returned to find the charger at about 2kW (for reference this is about what we get off the 120V outlet at our house). Huh.
Here’s where I think I made things (much) worse, although it falls into the category of “the car should have known better” for sure. Unclear why the charge rate had dropped, I just unplugged and plugged back in. That worked for a few minutes, then it dropped again. I tried rebooting the car and then again with a different charger. Worked for a bit and then dropped. Eventually I decided we had enough charge to get to the next stop anyways, so we’d just leave.
Pulling onto the onramp, the accelerator didn’t respond but then jerked forward so I just kept going. Within about five minutes on the road, the car entered “turtle mode” (I have learned these are dreaded words in the Rivian world) and dropped speed to 20mph. I crept along to the next exit as speed continued to drop. We parked the car in a safe spot and tried to figure out what was up.
Rebooted the car again and it seemed OK, so back on the highway and nope, same thing within about five minutes. At this point we exited and parked by the side of the road to call Rivian service (shout out to the multiple good folks who stopped ask if we were ok). Service was mostly uniquely unhelpful, although to be fair not sure what they could do — they offered a tow three hours north to the nearest Rivian service center, yeesh.
At the very end of a frustrating call, the rep suggested that battery temp might be an issue and showed us how to look at that … aha. The battery was close to redline at 132F, and surely had been much higher before we sat talking to service for a half hour.
Aware of the issue, we were able to get back on the road, watch the temp around charging stations, and make it down to Ventura without further incident through air temps of 100F and worse. Thanks to the Seattle PNW Rivian Facebook group for offering online therapy while we were in the hotel that night! TLDR:
- We don’t know why the initial charging speed drop happened.
- I surely made it much worse by forcing high-speed charging on a hot battery.
- Bumping up against the 130F mark isn’t unheard of in extreme heat, but it seems likely that there is something suboptimal going on with our heat pump.
- Limiting fast charges to 85% seems to do the trick; I have no concerns about getting comfortably back to Washington where we’ll have them take a look. Knock on wood.
I’m a Mac, and I’m a PC
At the end of the day, buying a Rivian feels a lot like using Windows instead of a Mac circa the late 90s. The Mac mostly just worked — as long as you used an Apple printer, Apple Mouse, Apple networking, Apple development tools, etc.. The PC had incredible power and a zillion innovative options, but you paid for that in complexity and reliability. Downloading drivers and keeping them up to date was (still is) such a hassle.
Side note: amusingly, in their attempt to capitalize on these real differences, Apple turned John Hodgman (“PC”) into an everyman hero. Who didn’t love that guy?
Boy, does this apply to charging — with the Tesla you mostly stay in your network, and they’ve made the system pretty idiot-proof. This is decaying over time for sure … but the difference is still very much there. From one icon to eight!
The running boards are another example. It’s pretty clear that the car needs them for many folks to comfortably climb into the car. But rather than make them standard, an ecosystem of accessory companies has emerged, each with their own features and quirks (be careful that the Rivian service folks can reach the official jack points!). The community seems to revel in the optionality and DIY of it all, and it is pretty cool — but also complex.
Or take the video streaming. I can watch way more stuff on my Rivian thanks to Google Casting vs the strictly-controlled theater apps on the X. But to use it you need to stream from your phone which is always a bit flaky, and the phone has to be on the car’s hotspot vs. any other Wifi network, and…. you see what I mean.
Early Conclusions
Feeling “stuck” in the middle of a road trip is a deeply crappy experience, and it’s hard not to let that color my first impressions. But I really wasn’t stuck, and in retrospect the issues seem pretty clear and fixable, even before we get it into service.
Taking that for what it is, I really do love the car. I don’t hide my politics and I do feel better knowing that I’m no longer adding to the damage that Elon is doing to my country, but that’s just a part of it. The Tesla is looking more and more like an amazing, ground-breaking, super-awesome first generation of the real EV transition — and that it’s time for the second generation to take the wheel (ha).
Rivian is doing that. They’ve built a sweet product that is fun and comfy to drive, has truly state-of-the-art features, and is positioned to win the day. Both over Tesla and the legacy automakers who, as we all know, really just wish the whole thing would go away. I’m calling it a win.
















